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Queens Fish Bar 11:20 Sun Aug 7
Canvey Island influx
Canvey set to change as Stamford Hill too crowded and too expensive.

Could we see a take over?

Harlow and Hemel Hempsted also being targeted.

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North London Jews find room to flourish in the wide open spaces of Canvey Island

Families from the Haredi community in Stamford Hill area are pioneering a move to establish a new community on the Essex coast.

Two weeks after Joel and Mindy Friedman moved house, all but a handful of the boxes have been unpacked. A new trampoline for their six children has been put up in the back garden and Joel’s collection of religious texts are already sitting on new bookshelves.

A few days after the move, an older couple living beside the Friedmans’ new home put a welcome card through the letterbox and the family on the other side invited the children over to play.

The Friedmans are delighted. “You can hear the birds sing,” said Joel, drinking orange juice in his garden as workmen finished alterations to the kitchen. “Did you see the cows and horses in the fields? We’re more connected to nature here. And the neighbours are lovely.”

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The Friedmans are one of seven ultra-orthodox Jewish families who have bought houses on Canvey Island, Essex, in a bold experiment to set up a satellite community 35 miles from Stamford Hill, the overcrowded, overpriced area of north-east London that is home to Britain’s biggest Haredi population.

Their choice of Canvey Island – in one of the 10 most pro-Brexit boroughs in the UK, one of Ukip’s target seats in last year’s general election and among the most monocultural places in the country – may seem surprising, but the fledgling community is optimistic about the move. Indeed, they hope that 50 Haredi families will be living on the island in the Thames estuary within a year, amid a local population typified by retired former East Enders.

Rabbi Abraham Pinter of the Stamford Hill Haredi community says the impulse was a 4% net population growth in the north London neighbourhood, in a community already numbering over 30,000. “By next year we’ll have another 1,200, and another 1,200 the year after,” he told the Observer. “It’s not a question of whether young families want to stay within the [Stamford Hill] community – they don’t have a choice.”

A shortage of available housing, combined with the soaring costs of buying and renting, had forced the community to look outside London. A family with seven or eight children needing a four- or five-bedroom property faced house prices of up to £1.5m in Stamford Hill.

“People are desperate, and the pressures are immense. So we’ve been talking about expanding the community farther afield,” said Pinter.

The Friedmans had already been priced out of Stamford Hill itself and had rented a “two-and-a-half-bedroom” house in Tottenham for £350 a week (the rent was raised to £500 when the family moved out). They paid £380,000 for a modern, five-bedroom house in Canvey Island, with double garage and conservatory.

All seven Haredi families managed to buy properties within a 20-minute walk of each other, and they moved in over the same weekend. Friedman hopes other Haredi families will be able to buy houses nearby, pointing out that many potential buyers were deterred by the island’s “flood zone” status.

But the group also needed community infrastructure: a synagogue, a Jewish school and a kosher shop. A clincher for Canvey Island was an empty school on a 3.5-acre plot which – thanks to a philanthropic donation – the community bought from the council for £1.7m. For now, the assembly hall acts as a makeshift synagogue and a temporary kosher shop opens for a couple of hours a day on the premises. In September, they hope to launch an independent Jewish school for 35 children, with capacity expanding as more families move to the island.

The new community is highly visible. Haredi men wear traditional black coats and hats, and grow beards and peyot (sidelocks); the women dress modestly and cover their hair with scarves, hats or wigs. According to Friedman, who now spends two hours a day commuting to his job at a Haredi charity in Stamford Hill, local people are mostly positive. “People have been very welcoming, apart from one case of a driver hooting at us,” he said.

Both he and Pinter accept that a different religious or ethnic minority community might have faced a more hostile reception. “A lot of these ex-East Enders are saying, ‘We know you: we’re very familiar with the Jewish community’,” said Pinter. Friedman added, “They know Jews don’t make any trouble.”

But one long-time resident said that some local people were worried. “They think they’re a cult, that they could take over, buy up all the houses,” said Jean, who has lived on the island for 43 years. “There are two ways of looking at it – it’s good if they generate trade and business, but the island infrastructure can’t take an influx. The roads are already a nightmare.

“I’m not dead against it; it’s better than properties being empty. I have no objection to people having their own temples and so on, but basically this is a Christian country. I don’t mind any community coming here as long as they integrate.”

Ann Horgan, head of civic governance at Castle Point council, said: “The council is working with representatives of the Jewish community and Canvey Island and other agencies to make sure this new community is welcomed. We hope this will be to all our mutual benefit and have a positive impact on the local economy.”

Members of the Community Security Trust, a charity that provides security to the UK Jewish community, had met local police to offer “cultural training”, said Friedman.

Another Stamford Hill group is planning a new satellite Haredi community in Harlow, Essex, and a number of orthodox Jewish families from Golders Green are considering relocating to Hemel Hempstead in Hertfordshire.

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JLAP 11:38 Sun Aug 7
Re: Canvey Island influx
Two men were shot yesterday on Canvey, not saying this is related to this story though.

Pub Bigot 12:42 Sun Aug 7
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JLAP 11:38 Sun Aug 7
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Oi vey!

Sven Roeder 12:45 Sun Aug 7
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Presume all the east enders who moved out there will now decamp into the SEA?

Charoo 5:24 Sun Aug 7
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Nice to see they want to integrate.

It's fine for them to want their own community and schools.

Religion, the acceptable face of racism.

REALGSA 5:43 Sun Aug 7
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So what is really happening is they are kicking out the tenants from the properties they own and moving in themselves.

*Clicks on to Rightmove and Zoopla to search for properties in Harlow and Canvey Island...*

stomper 7:17 Sun Aug 7
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So Canvey is about 100 years behind the east end?

Any Old Iron 7:42 Sun Aug 7
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Canvey Island Citizens Advice have only one answer to any question they're asked - LEAVE.

ManorParkHammer 12:07 Mon Aug 8
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Whenever Jews have moved to any area they may or may not have previously occupied things have always gone well.

Can see no reason for concern.

bruuuno 12:30 Mon Aug 8
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JLAP 11:38 Sun Aug 7

Suicide probably

BubblesCyprus 9:01 Mon Aug 8
Re: Canvey Island influx
Prefer a Synagogue than a Muslim Temple in the neighbourhood.

Shin Chan 10:59 Mon Aug 8
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Yep, they have bought up the old Castle View School site and have been trying to buy up houses near by. Took the dog for a walk the other night and saw loads of them, seem nice polite people and will keep themselves to themselves i suppose.

mashed in maryland 11:10 Mon Aug 8
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Staunch Spurs area that anyway, just like most of Essex.

overbyyer 11:24 Mon Aug 8
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If anyone is looking to start a new business venture I would suggest opening an opticians in Canvey.

Dwight Van Mann 11:29 Mon Aug 8
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Very unlikely that their offspring will end up mugging other kids, getting stabby or drug dealing like other communities have done when they descend on an area.
That said, they are a bit weird though.

gank 11:39 Mon Aug 8
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This ain't upmystreet.com, it has fuck all to do with West Ham and you've copied it from another website so it was already online for anyone to read. Why on Earth do people do this?

dealcanvey 11:50 Mon Aug 8
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mashed in maryland 11:10 Mon Aug 8

Could not be more wrong. Plenty more hammers fans on Canvey than spurs.

Northern Sold 11:55 Mon Aug 8
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mashed in maryland 11:10 Mon Aug 8
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Staunch Spurs area that anyway, just like most of Essex.



So it's just not political threads you talk shit then mashed?? I'd go as much to say the Island has more West Ham per 100 people than anywhere else in the UK... the Rock is the East End Equiv' of what Israel is to the Jews...

mashed in maryland 11:59 Mon Aug 8
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Sorry Soldo, can't hear you over your neighbours (both sides) shouting YIDS YIDS YIDS and bowing to some wall and oppressing Palestinians.

Northern Sold 12:02 Mon Aug 8
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East End was built on Jewish sweat and tears mashed... we have always been more Jewish than Spurs.... pop that coffee jar and take a whiff... Happy 'Onakah

Shin Chan 12:02 Mon Aug 8
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Many more Hammers than Yids on the Rock, mashed in maryland, but why stop facts getting in your way :0)

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